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justiceseeker
This forum is for those having problems with the Court of Protection/Office of the Public Guardian
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Hi guys,
I am very concerned about this topic. I became aware of these rules because of an elderly relative who was affected, and I have been horrified by what I have learned. In any case I went to see my MP on Friday, and discussed it with him. I put forward some specific concerns and proposals and I would be grateful to know what everyone else thinks too.
MONEY
1. Financial Deputyship
Problems -
a. A court application is required for every case. At most 4-6 judges but 40,000 'protected' persons. Why is a court application necessary at all to get a financial deputyship, when someone can be locked up on the signature of two professionals without a court application?
b. No automatic review for cases to check the Deputyship is still necessary.
c. Inadequate oversight of Deputies (problem of fraud, or more generally just incompetence)
d. The Court actually charges to consider complaints against Deputies
e. Impenetrable procedure. How is a full blown court under the civil procedure rules accessible TO SOMEONE WITH A DISABILITY?
f. As above, the difficulties of challenging wrong decisions.
g. Did I mention expense?
Solutions -
a. In the first instance why does a Deputyship require a court application? Why not a local action similar to a Deprivation of Liberty Safeguards Standard Authorisation issued by the local Supervising Authority for the first instance. Something like a 'Financial Deputyship Authorisation'.
b. The 'protected' person could then ask for a local review at any time similar to DoLS, without the huge expense of a court application. As I propose below they should also have a right of a second opinion on their mental health and capacity.
c. The Office of the Public Guardian is not the best way to oversee deputies. This duty should be transferred to the local authority. For people with simple finances all that is necessary is visits from a social worker and a clerical grade worker at the authority just to check the person's bank statements.
d. If there is a contention, the first appeal should be to the local Mental Health Review Tribunal, which already exists, already does similar work under the Mental Health Act and is relatively accessible and cheap.
e. The Court of Protection should be the second tier appeal, before the usual higher appellate courts.
f. There should be legal aid for a 'protected' person wishing to challenge a Deputyship or complain about a Deputy.
DEPRIVATION OF LIBERTY SAFEGUARDS
2. Locking People Up
Problems -
a. There is no second opinion regarding mental disorder or functional capacity required unlike detention under Mental Health Act 1983.
b. The 'Safeguards' overlap with the Mental Health Act 1983 and this causes confusion. In some cases professionals can pick and choose which to use.
c. The 'Safeguards' rely heavily on appointment of a 'representative' to support the detained person and challenge and question the Managing and Supervising Authorities.
i. The representative is chosen by authority. The criteria can actually include agreeing with detention (the 'best interests' loophole).
ii. If a professional, they are paid on consultancy basis by the authority. This is an obvious and horrendous conflict of interest.
d. Appeal rights - the right local of review is vague. The authority can simply decline to review. No representation. No legal aid. No requirement the review even be conducted by fresh staff.
e. Appeal rights - to Court of Protection. How is a full blown court under the civil procedure rules accessible TO SOMEONE WITH A DISABILITY?
f. There is no right of information to relatives, friends other than the representative.
g. If the detained person disagrees with their representative there is a theoretical right to appeal to the Court of Protection anyway but no clear guidelines on safeguarding this right.
Solutions -
a. If the detained person or their representative requests a review, this should include the right to a second opinion for any of the six assessments by a professional from outside the managing and supervising authority. A second opinion for each assessment should be available at least once in the duration of any Authorisation.
c. i. For representative use the nearest relative like the Mental Health Act 1983, power to displace as per subsequent amendments
ii. If representative is professional they should be centrally commissioned by some body other than the Managing or Supervising Authority outside the Supervising Authority's control, but the Supervising Authority must pay for the representative.
d. First tier appeal should be to to the local Mental Health Act Review Tribunal, not the Court of Protection. Legal aid should be available at the same rates as for people detained under the Mental Health Act 1983.
e. Second tier appeal should be to the Court of Protection.
e. To protect their appeal rights, the detained person must have the right to - (1) Seek a lawyer, (2) Appeal in Person. Incidental materials such as writing materials, access to a phone etcetera.
Summary
Basically the whole system is expensive, inefficient and treats those within it poorly. It should be localised and made cheaper.
What do you guys think?
I too contacted my MP - though I am in the early stages of negotiating the various pitfalls of the whole mess.. Without powerful allies, it is very difficult to see how the flaws in this sytem are ever going to remedied - given that those affected most by it are not all that likely to be listened to, and as the funds to maintain it come from the very people it is suposed to be protecting. It seems to me that part of the problem is the very wide brief - the problems the elderly face or not quite the same as those disabled from birth, or by accidents - or those with mental health problems. The only things these groups have in common is their powerlessness.
My own particular concern is the system of professional deputies - as you say, the system may work well if the person concerned is scrupulous - but it can get very nightmarish if they are not. I should imagine it could be well-nigh impossible to get rid of a bad one. The costs and the byzantine procedures would be next on my list.
I should imagine any of us who have the misfortune to be embroiled in all this could come up with a simpler, cheaper, more effective system. The PRINCIPAL of oversight is fair enough - it just doesn't have to be so legalistic and bizarre.
I would tend to agree, by and large, with you.
The horror we went through, with a cowardly, lisping, unchivalrous little bent receiver, is terrible.
[Before I go on, let me be very clear about some points- I am NOT homophobic! I have no problem whatsoever with gay people of either sex, and either passive or active.I will happily socialise with you and make no difference of you in any professional context either. I say this because I am about to use certain derogatory terms about the BENT receiver who was attached to us. None of anything I say at any time now or in future should be construed as either homophobic, nor racist nor sexist. Just so you know.]
The cowardly, wriggling, unmanly, unchivalrous little bastard that was attached to us, told us LIES that one can never be released from the Court, that we were under it for life, that he wielded the power for ever and would not even discuss what may happen if he died, [and he was thirty-five-odd years older than us!] was a real shithouse. Plank. Plonker. Bell end. Twonk. Twat. Turd. Fucker. Crud-licker. Etc.
It is the most heinous, the most cowardly and the most vicious of crimes, to squeeze money out of the disabled and/or vulnerable. The bent lawyers involved should be looking at their own images in the mirror every morning in horror.
Damn them to Hell. FOR EVER.
[Remember... Most people don't have the slightest inkling of what for ever is like. Imagine a sphere of hard rock like granite, as big as the Solar System. Once every hundred thousand years, a little butterfly may visit it, and brush the sphere with its wings. Now comes the crunch... When that sphere has been worn down to nowt by the butterfly, YOU WILL STILL BE THE HOWLING SCREAMING DAMNED, MISTER SHYSTER, HAVING YOUR INNARDS TORN APART EVERY DAY BY DEMONS SENT FROM OLYMPUS! ]
Just think on that, you fucking bent twat. What, for a few fucking criminal quid? Is it worth it? WELL, IS IT?
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